Should we have a National Identity? (Debate started on www.neinlives.com.au forum)
Submitted by doddsy on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 13:40
Hey guys i've just been trying to brainstorm a way to help get messengers more involved Nationally...
After the ACMC in Adelaide it has become pretty clear that although someone organising an event is important. Clearly the most important part of a national messenger event is getting people keen and organised to travel... We could have a kickass ACMC anywhere if we get enough people to buy plane tickets!... Heres a couple of emails i sent out with the best idea i thought i could come up with...
Let me know if you think its a good idea or if you have any other or better suggestions
get out of this forum.. Go to
get out of this forum.. Go to general please.
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Agreed
I can't wait for you to leave it either.
Yeah I TRAINED Kev. He's untrainable which I told Paul Robinson. He didn't listen. I love going south anyway. Just not when I'm supposed to be doing something else. @ least the fleet will be the right size when you go, for the first time since you arrived. Good riddance I say
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U want to start?
You lacrosse playing fuck. Sorry I play a game that more than 100 people worldwide give a fuck about. There aint no point going into all the changes I made at tenspeed while I was despatching. The ones that worked well for the riders were never appreciated while the ones that worked for the company were constantly bitched about.
Whilst I wish we got paid 60% of the revenue or similar for what we do, you have to appreciate the people we work for have a business to run.
If you want to get on your horse, which you obviously do, start your own company and do it properly. I promise I won't work for you.
I never let riders ruin shit for others. Granted one guy got a bit of a break cos he had been there so long but that didn't have much to do with me. I also objected to fleet stacking whenever it happened. Would have helped if you got thru a bit more work than you did but I guess we're not all fast or efficient.
I'm not even replying to the KFC remark. I'm not a fat wog cunt with no idea and never will be.
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Just testing CUNTFACEs
so if i reply to a comment it goes to the bottom? and if i add comment it goes to the bottom as well? Unless i change it myself eh.... Its kinda good with oldest first except you can't qoute... Can i change it to oldest first except replies (new comments go to the bottom)?Or can we qoute?
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Quote?
(doddy) "Its kinda good with oldest first except you can't qoute"
Looks better than before though.
Thanks Julien (or is it Julienne?)
Julian is a sellout
Forums are now flat by
Forums are now flat by default.
you can choose how to view your forums at the bottom of the page.
any more problems you have with the forums are now your own..(gawd that was good to say(write anyway))
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Is the taswegian site
Is the taswegian site B&CHAINS?
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i still dont get it
what are you trying to achieve with an afbma/ozbma? another layer of bureaucracy?
isnt the need to encourage the people from the grass roots to get involved, as opposed to getting the people who already do stuff to do more?
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no committee involved... its
no committee involved...
its just about the forums.
unless of course you wanna be the committee ...
its a brochure a lot like the ifbma site is it serves as a reference to everything else..
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it's cos...
...people like making stuff.....
it's all voluntary as far as i understood....
no one HAS to do shit....unless they're driven by some inner compulsion
whining is for lesses
should be ACECUNTS anyway
go ACECUNTS!
whining is for lesses
CUNTFACE is better now that i think about it
ACECUNTs is a bit up ourselves... CUNTFACE
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390 loves cock
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are you sure?
hey doddsy
if so....how do you know?!
do you think he's discriminate?
whining is for lesses
Oh i know all right...
He doesn't love it as much as me sometimes.
for some reason i cant edit that 390 post so sorry... I was trying to cut and paste this discussion from ninelives and accidently hit the post comment option instead of reply so it fucked up my whole order (fricking weird forum setup).
Wanted to change it to 390 is an ACECUNT or CUNTFACE but couldn't...
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A letter from the Guys in Adelaide
Thanks for turning up on Friday to discuss the new BMA. It was awesome to get the numbers that we did and it reinforces our thoughts that we can get the numbers to make this work. We think it went very well. On the agenda for future thought are the name, entry fee (which will go toward funding the web site, t-shirts and pins etc), and quotes for the t-shirts and pins and cloth patches. Currently, emails are going out to the appropriate companies searching for sponsorship and the like. In the coming weeks we are expecting to put on a movie night, supported by photos from Panda Zam from the ACMC ’08, as well as a time trial. Keeps your eyes in your inboxes
Keep cool/warm
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The Reply...
Does the A (the first A) in ABMA stand for Australian or Adelaide?
Anywho we had a Sydbma meeting on tuesday up here in Sydney (of course) and things went pretty well.... We talked about all the usual stuff, roller races, making new hoodies, stickers, badges, starting a bike polo league etc etc... The only conclusions we came to was that i am gay and metallica sucks. We have now got a sick warehouse party spot at emo Brines place.
The meeting was however a little narrow minded (what you'd expect from a meeting of just one city) Every attempt to work out a game plan of how to get more of the Nation involved in being part of the Australian Cycle Messenger Championships was pretty much quashed. It seems all Sydney can pretty much do is what we did last year... Hold a three race series (the courier cup), do some fundraising, have poker nights, sell some merchandise (send heaps of emails to melbourne) and put a few plane tickets up as prizes....
Perhaps we need to go a little broader and start an AFBMA (Australian Federation of Bike Messenger Asociations.) Creating an (un)official Federation could help strengthen this National community we've got going (finally beyond Adelaide onto Perth and hopefully Brisbane after that...).
Having a national identity could really help bring the nation together.
Its really not a big step.... My idea is just to get together a sick AFBMA logo design (maybe even the gold old bike to australia to beer design) make a screen so that we can print on t-shirts, hoodies and stubbies at will then let someone responsible from every city know what it costs to make them wholesale, then each state can buy however many they want and sell them as a fundraiser (awareness raiser also). The Funds could then be used to help get people to the Australian Cycle Messenger Championships each year.
What do you think guys? Messengers? Ex-messengers? Non messengers?
Doddsy
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A letter from Yogi...
Doddy, and all..
just wondering The first paragraph was about Sydney then the second was about a national thing. just be sure not to mix them together and you will be all right.
I’m all for a AFBMA .. and we could base it from anywhere as the net makes the place small.
We/you could run a shop from it selling shirts and hoddies pretty easily.. and even patches for your bags etc. stickers for your bikes and (cough) cars.
We just need someone 'trusted' to run it and pass the bucks to the right people at the right time.
I have sought afbma.org by the way... (afbma.com is owned already as abma.anything) I will boost the cost myself... someone can buy me an apple juice some time..
Being an active Ex-Courier / Messenger is rewarding to me. Pulling ex-Couriers / Messengers to ACMC is a very, very awesome idea. Of course not all ex 'couriers' will want to go. But, making them welcome is always warming. One day you guys will be ex-bike couriers and if you give a damn... that would be nice too.
I agree that ACMC should be a national agenda but just like the CMWC it should be up to the hosts to organise everything. The national website should not take over the role of ACMC just divert web traffic to the correct site nationally (neinlives this time round)...and link to the other BMAs or sites.
I would like to also try to pull our forums together. I know that melburnmassive use the sydbma forums. I have re-done the forums into a national and Sydney section.
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Another reply
Thx Yogi... Wasn't trying to confuse the two 'BMA's' but was definately trying to make a point that just keeping to ourself on a local basis isn't going to help us develop nationally.
Not sure if the national bma is going to happen but just trying to brain storm and come up with an idea that garuntees every capital city gets involved. We want every messenger, ex messenger, friend and family to start looking forward to spending every easter in a new city partying and riding bikes.... On a long term basis....
Or we could just not do anything and maybe make it through the next few years then probably fizzle out when a couple of the major cities can't be bothered being involved or puts the onus of organising a national event on just one person.
A national event isn't up to just one person! it is up to the Nation.
Have a good weekend guys
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Ezy's reply (Perth Legend)
Doddsy
dont get to disheartened there i think yogi was being supportive in his special yogi way
as to doing the organising of the shop/ merchandise I'm gunna start doing it for the neinlives crew (only coz i have a boring job that sticks me in front of a comp far too much)
i dont mind extending that to a national level, keeping in mind tho that it'll have to be done from p-earth which might affect shipping costs...
also looks like me harry braddles and wall might come visit ya'll in september for a weekend of riding bikes and drinking beer
maybe in the midst of the drinkin we can chat about national/ACMC stuff (and sort stuff in the meantime too tho!)
i kinda agree to yogi in that we need a national forum. i just dont think it should be a culmination of the states ones. A national forum thats linked to the afbma/acmc site and linked to off our individual sites means that stuff like this doesnt need to be double posted, organising the ACMC and getting info about it will be much easier and it'll help build the friendships we make at events like ACMC. But it wont take away from our own identities and the communities we've already built in each state.
As to the organisation of the actual event i think a fair part of it should be organised by the home state. Its their chance to show off where they come from and how they "run" things. Collaboration from the other states/BMA's is important in making it a national event (especially the lead up stuff like sydney did this year) and shouldnt be discounted however can be logistically difficult, especially if you live in the most islotated capital city in the world! I completely agree that having it organised by just one person is a bad plan, however i dont think thats the norm and was possibly due more to personalities than a lack of help.
P-earth will definitly not by organised by just one person (we got too many gung-ho organisers round these parts! )
but hey this is just my opinion, whatever happens i'll still happily trundle after ya'll getting steadily pissed and laughing when we never get anywhere anyway
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Phineas's 2 cents (www.neinlives.com.au administrator)
Doddsy and Yogi I think that you have a great idea here, confusion or no, and I think that we should start by moving the forums together. This would give us a way of talking amongst ourselves and it would also be easier for ex-couriers to make contact as we are a fairly well travelled and widely spread bunch. Excouriers from Perth on Neinlives have written in from Spain, England, Melbourne and just generally where ever the winds seems to have blown them so by bringing the Australian forums together we make it easier on all of us.
I think we could then easily make the jump into a national site as we would have the relevant interested people able to discuss ideas. I would love to see it happen as the idea of spending every Easter in a new city being shown it by people that really know it and love it is really exciting to me. Neinlives would easily transfer our forum onto the Sydbma site if you give us a space and we can carry over our topics and members. Dont know how possible that is but if some or all of it isnt possible we can talk about ways of doing it.
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Another reply
Seems we are all pretty united on the site front... Yogi has reserved the www.afbma.org address so it looks like it all may be happening... Hopefully bringing the sites closer together will bridge the gaps and help give the smaller cities a bigger presence... I agree that we should definitely Keep our individual identities. Yet combining the forums and members if its possible would be grouse.
P.S At last weeks Sydbma meeting we all agreed that we should get the courier cup over and done with and our group booking done as close to the end of the year as possible (when people are cashed up instead of a few weeks before easter.)
From what i've heard a lot of the melbourne massive feel sad that they missed out on all of the Easter fun. So that should work in your favour.... Just so long as they can get organised to buy tickets.
hehehe i wonder if Yogi tried the www.ozbma.com option....
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Not everyone has the same opinion...
It seems a couple of Sydney messengers don't really feel we need a national identity... But on the other hand these are also the people that aren't really website active... after chatting to Shifty about it he felt that we infact dont even need or wouldn't miss a Sydney website as we only really have ten or so people that use it on a regular basis... He felt that a National identity would just mean more work for Sydney and would not help us develop as a National community... He thought that the word of mouth about how much fun Adelaide was is all we need.
I respect and listen to opinions like these but still disagree... I think that we are really lucky the ACMC made it past Adelaide and onto Perth... Without your presence and the help from Bene for linking us up with brisvegas we would have been screwed... I don't really think that the guys with these opinions know what its like to messenger in towns with a small messenger community. And i think the reason we only have ten or so people that use the Sydbma website is because we mostly all work together... going national i believe would help fix this problem.... I also think if we do it at the right time it would give the ACMC in perth a good dose of momentum.
Just curious to see what the outcome of your meeting will be.
One things for sure we'd have to keep things as simple as possible..
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While I understand Shifty
While I understand Shifty ...
I disagree with his reasons.
Although there are only a few who add content to the site on a regular basis. Readership just keeps on growing. Unique IP are growing and stats are getting bigger. Basically, some bike messengers are very lazy and some don't care for CMWC or ACMC, Forget posting a blog or adding to a site. but every time anyone looks, More and more people contact via the web. It is the best brochure out there PERIOD.
Although I have a love hate relationship with this site (sydbma) I am abhorred to think no one would miss it (thanks shifty, ya f**k!) Without a web site ex messengers will loose contact to easily. and there are the checkpoints and friends.
The way I see it is all state or areas have their own place to call their home. I would love to see a national forum.
The ACMC torch is carried by the new guys and shown by the old guys. The only way to contiue the "flame" is to enjoy it...
This will keep you coming back when your not a bike courier at all and the site is where you can check up about it. no matter whom you are at the time , even Harrold Scruby.
The amount of work invlve is minimal and not a load. |
Im calling a COMPETITION. a logo for AFBMA.ORG.
I did not consider ozbma by the way
you need to supply
a background (image or not),
a logo,
and a style set.
that includes the colours used . IE: background and text and links, highlighted topic or heading, font (although its hard to beat courier or Vardana).
the site will be static and a basic brochure and feature links to our individual state sites and our national forum. (currently kept at sydbma) http://sydbma.org/bikes/?q=forum/7 or
http://sydbma.org/bikes/forum/12
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Chinese whispers
I can assure you I never said that the SYDBMA site should be abolished. I contribute to it more than most apart from Yogi (webmaster) and Doddy (wierd bloke). I would love all the shit people post on heir own city sites to appear in the sub section of said city on each others site. Fucked if I'm loggibg in to 5 different sites to see whats goin on. If thats not possible I'll just stick to SYDBMA and see what happens.
Fuck Youse all
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Your taking what i said you said out of context u drama queen.
"after chatting to Shifty about it he felt that we infact dont even need or wouldn't miss a Sydney website as we only really have ten or so people that use it on a regular basis".
Short mans syndrome kicking in again?
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May have taken a couple of things Shifty said out of context BTW
my memories not so crash hot... He probably didn't mean it the way you took it Yogi (or the way i wrote it).
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I know.. I know... it is only
I know.. I know...
it is only Shifty anyway.
I know where he is coming from though... besides I'm sure if we just stopped, the next wave of keen wannabes will do their own thing. possibly the same possibly different.
They may have never heard of Shifty or yogi or Doddy.
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Hmmm
They may not have heard of Doddy or Yogi, but seeing I've been to or been involved with every event since 2000 I 'm sure they've heard of Shifty. Try taking that out of context
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You missed the 99 ACMC Shifty!
"They may not have heard of Doddy or Yogi, but seeing I've been to or been involved with every event since 2000 I 'm sure they've heard of Shifty. Try taking that out of context"
Hadn't you already been a messenger for 20 odd years before that? Sheesh you took your time to get involved.
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99 eh
Seeing as I was fleet manager and not appreciated by you mob of cunts in 99 even though I was the only bloke who gave any sort of a fuck about working conditions, stacked fleets etc, is it any surprise I didn't spend too much time hanging out with you. Try both sides of the game Doddrag and see how it sits with you. I also never made any claim to having been there in 99. Back then I had a l(w)ife. Strange things haven't improved greatly since i left and started looking after number 1. If you're so busy trying to be me you need to shrink a foot or so mate.
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Why do they call you Shifty?
Take another dramatic dive you soccer playing low life!
Show some pride and take some responsibility... Constantly pretending your a victim to manipulate things to suit yourself isn't going to work this time.
You never hung out because you weren't invited If you made some effort back then maybe the fleet would have appreciated you a bit more (how hard is it to have a knock off drink with the lads now and again?)... You were too busy stacking the fleet because you couldn't be bothered using your brain when it got busy (Mail Call syndrome)... You let people call in sick and rock up late as much as they wanted too. This ruined things for the responsible riders which was the main reason we had a stacked fleet. You should of stayed at KFC you might of learnt something.
You know i've tried both sides of the game and when i was operating i didn't let the riders that constantly did the wrong thing ruin it for anyone else, If you constantly did the wrong thing your hours got cut... That way the responsible riders could get looked after... One things for sure i wasn't getting paid anywhere near as much as you were...
Everyone knows your name cos they've all witnessed your dramatic bullshit someway or another.
Roger the work and stop being so dam lazy.
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And another thing
You didn't get paid as much as me because you weren't as good. You can change that to the present tense if you like too.
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Are you two sharing the laptop for this argument?
I'm picturing swinging handbags between keystrokes.
Both of you should listen to Triples!
Julian is a sellout
thats gold!
nothin so grand as a short man on a high horse!
melburn needs more people like shifty
SHIFTY FOR PRESIDENT!!!
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Nah
I don't want to be President. I prefer sitting back in the wings giving people shit and copping plenty myself
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no subject , no comment... just
/me ducks for cover
(/me) means to emote.. like in such irc programs such as Mirc and other good IRC programs
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in 89, the events where
in 89, the events where impromptu and just happened.. Often we would have a cruise around 6 30 pm on a friday and just circle our way to our destination... like the time we somehow ended up down on hickson and the front slowed up and the back closed in then everyone just roll started together a massive sprint towards townes pl.
I think there was over 80 bikes in that... then we went off to the hero for a Cider / Ale combo.
may I borrow Shifter Bikes Slogan Here Please.
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ok.. Nahhhhhhhh! (are we
ok..
Nahhhhhhhh!
(are we really getting that old?)
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Adelaides two cents
In short Adelaide will be a hundred and ten percent behind a national forum/site. We are in the process of starting up our own web page and getting the Adelaide bma (which will be called push the envelope) up and running properly. We’ve had a couple of general meetings with a really good response and are having our first official race on the Anzac weekend.
We met far too many great people over the ACMC weekend not to stay in touch, we really hope to catch up for more beer and bikes before and of the year. Sydney in September sounds great. Might see a couple of us over in Perth on a recon mission mid year, after this year’s performance at the ACMC we might need all the help we can get for next year hehe . If a national forum would help all these things and keep us close it could not be a bad thing,
Well guys keep pushing those envelopes and the cranks turning.
Lots of love the Adelaide crew
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MJP's reply (another Perth Champ)
Couriers Uniting Nationally Together For Australian Championship Events
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Phineas Reply
I cannot wait to see Adelaides webpage. I fully believe in the benefits of a national and the city websites. They help us open things up to more people (ex-couriers, other bike nuts etc.) and all that makes our local and national communities better and that equates to more racing, more bikes, more beer. All of which is a good thing! Lets keep going with the national identity and things like the ACMC. Why should Australia not have these things? What benefit will that bring us? If it turns out that the national site does not work what have we lost? If all the sites peter away and die who cares. We had them for awhile and they were good for awhile. I don't think it will be like that anyhow. i think a national forum will be hilarious and will have a whole load to offer Australian cyclists, not just cycle couriers but all sorts of riders.
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Ezy's reply
yeah im with the tallest on this one.
The main reason there was a big perth crew at adelaide was doddsy's post on here bringing it to our attention
word of mouth will help heaps but its not enough to draw poeple in from all over the place
lets just do it and see how it goes yeah?
any ideas on how we co-ordinate setting it up? or is yogi just gunna do the prelim bit and we'll help where we can from there?
and i like MJP's name suggestion... we'd definitely get more web hits at least...
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Can't stop this high horse
Personally i think the more heads clashing on the national site design the better (i'm useless at that sort of stuff but.)
I reckon the cities should have there own sites with news, photo's and whatever else they want to put in but i reckon the forums should be combined (if thats possible)... When you join a site eg ww.sydbma.org (check it out sometime) when you click on the forum button you should also be able to view the forum posts from neinlives, mdma, ptebma and hopefully even brisvegasbma... (Tasbma? it'd be lonely being the only messenger in one town and on your own forum)... Phineas has got Yogis contact details so maybe you guys should work out exactly what you want and put it to him.
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Phineas would be well appreciated as a sydbma member
That's the way I think it should work. So the link from the individual cities sites takes them to their forums but the forums are all just divisions of the larger national forum and so it will be easy for everyone to chat at a national level because the city forums are just part of the larger forum. I dunno whether that restricts the city forums too much anyhow that is what I see as the start of getting a national site running.
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227 Paddy's two cents
I'm not a ex-messenger
I'm an ex-courier
the BMA acrnym is a bit unwieldy
How about:
Australian Cycle Couriers United Nationally in Triumph - ACCUNiT....
or maybe a bit mor user friendly... and more phoneticaly linked to the name of our nation:
Cycle-Couriers United Nationally Triumphantly in Australia - yeah, CCUNTiA... rolls of the tounge beautifully
CCUNTiA, CCUNTiA, CCUNTiA, CCUNTiA, CCUNTiA, CCUNTiA
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ACECUNTS!
Australian Cycling Events of Couriers Uniting Nationally Triumphantly Sustainably!
P.S just remembered MDMA actually linked there website to the SYDBMA Forums not long ago... Not sure if the aim was to try and achieve what ACECUNTS are but it almost happened
(I think at the mo the only active Melbourne messenger on the sydbma site is ex sydney)... Maybe with the recent emergence of NEINLIVES and PTEBMA being in the pipeline we might just get the right balance across Australia.
Heard a rumour that the MDMA site is back in the pipeline also.
nothing rolls off the tongue better than....
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Hairy Ricks still around (ex Adelaide party animal)
Sounds like a "grouse" (scummy vic speak) idea bro.
Put me down for a hoody and a stubby holder, but only if it fits coopers long necks!
P.S Going mental in this one horse shithole, no licence, riding my bike everywhere dodging cuntz in commodores wearing big white sunnies, no ones ever even seen a crumpler before.
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Eyes Wide Shut Doddy!
Hobart has something of a sorts already mate.
http://www.bottlesandchains.com
It doesn't end in BMA, (or bmc) but has people enjoying themselves.
If you take a look, they know about cuntface.org, even if you failed to see THEM
Julian is a sellout
Ahhh! Cuntface!
You Tasmanians interested in being part and maybe linking your site to a national forum (if it ever takes place)?
Seems like Sydney, Perth and Adelaide are keen to make it happen at the moment.
q: Whats the latest kids craze sweeping Tassie?
A: Pokeyamum!
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